From rdumain at autodidactproject.org Mon Jun 1 16:46:34 2009 From: rdumain at autodidactproject.org (Ralph Dumain) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 16:46:34 -0400 Subject: [Membroj] In the Land of Invented Languages Message-ID: Tom Ashbrook's On Point radio program features a broadcast "Dreaming of a Perfect Language", an interview with Arika Okrent, author of In the Land of Invented Languages: Esperanto Rock Stars, Klingon Poets, Loglan Lovers, and the Mad Dreamers Who Tried to Build a Perfect Language: http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/06/invented-languages See also the web site for Okrent's book (including excerpts): http://inthelandofinventedlanguages.com/ Interlinguistics and conlangers in popular culture, whoopee! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rdumain at autodidactproject.org Mon Jun 1 21:18:00 2009 From: rdumain at autodidactproject.org (Ralph Dumain) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:18:00 -0400 Subject: [Membroj] In the Land of Invented Languages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is being broadcast now on WAMU. I missed the beginning, but the topics I've heard, aside from questions on the origin and diversity of natural languages, are the longevity of artificial languages, dating back to Hildegard von Bingen, and discussions of Klingon and Esperanto with spoken examples. At 04:46 PM 6/1/2009, Ralph Dumain wrote: >Tom Ashbrook's On Point radio program features a broadcast "Dreaming >of a Perfect Language", an interview with Arika Okrent, author of In >the Land of Invented Languages: Esperanto Rock Stars, Klingon Poets, >Loglan Lovers, and the Mad Dreamers Who Tried to Build a Perfect Language: > >http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/06/invented-languages > >See also the web site for Okrent's book (including excerpts): > >http://inthelandofinventedlanguages.com/ > >Interlinguistics and conlangers in popular culture, whoopee! > >_______________________________________________ >Membroj mailing list >Membroj at esperantosocieto.org >http://esperantosocieto.org/mailman/listinfo/membroj_esperantosocieto.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rdumain at autodidactproject.org Tue Jun 2 14:46:49 2009 From: rdumain at autodidactproject.org (Ralph Dumain) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:46:49 -0400 Subject: [Membroj] In the Land of Invented Languages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I made notes on the radio broadcast, which I will type up when I get a chance. The discussion was quite respectful towards Esperanto and towards the whole realm of artificial languages. Two musical interludes featured a punk rock song in Esperanto (the title or the group was "Esperanto-Desperado") and an Esperanto rendition of "Send in the Clowns" by Alberta Casey (whom I recall meeting some decades ago). See also two new articles on my blog: Aktualaj Filozofiaj Lingvoj and Louis Couturat, Leibniz, & international languages At 09:18 PM 6/1/2009, Ralph Dumain wrote: >This is being broadcast now on WAMU. > >I missed the beginning, but the topics I've heard, aside from >questions on the origin and diversity of natural languages, are the >longevity of artificial languages, dating back to Hildegard von >Bingen, and discussions of Klingon and Esperanto with spoken examples. > >At 04:46 PM 6/1/2009, Ralph Dumain wrote: >>Tom Ashbrook's On Point radio program features a broadcast >>"Dreaming of a Perfect Language", an interview with Arika Okrent, >>author of In the Land of Invented Languages: Esperanto Rock Stars, >>Klingon Poets, Loglan Lovers, and the Mad Dreamers Who Tried to >>Build a Perfect Language: >> >>http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/06/invented-languages >> >>See also the web site for Okrent's book (including excerpts): >> >>http://inthelandofinventedlanguages.com/ >> >>Interlinguistics and conlangers in popular culture, whoopee! >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Membroj mailing list >>Membroj at esperantosocieto.org >>http://esperantosocieto.org/mailman/listinfo/membroj_esperantosocieto.org >_______________________________________________ >Membroj mailing list >Membroj at esperantosocieto.org >http://esperantosocieto.org/mailman/listinfo/membroj_esperantosocieto.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rdumain at autodidactproject.org Tue Jun 2 18:11:17 2009 From: rdumain at autodidactproject.org (Ralph Dumain) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:11:17 -0400 Subject: [Membroj] In the Land of Invented Languages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jen mia blogero pri la temo. Mi ankorau ne aldonis miajn notojn pri la radio-intervjuo: In the Land of Invented Languages At 02:46 PM 6/2/2009, Ralph Dumain wrote: >I made notes on the radio broadcast, which I will type up when I get >a chance. The discussion was quite respectful towards Esperanto and >towards the whole realm of artificial languages. Two musical >interludes featured a punk rock song in Esperanto (the title or the >group was "Esperanto-Desperado") and an Esperanto rendition of "Send >in the Clowns" by Alberta Casey (whom I recall meeting some decades ago). > >See also two new articles on my blog: > > >Aktualaj >Filozofiaj Lingvoj > > > >and > > >Louis >Couturat, Leibniz, & international languages -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From piateski at alum.mit.edu Thu Jun 18 13:09:17 2009 From: piateski at alum.mit.edu (Erin Piateski) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:09:17 -0400 Subject: [Membroj] Vizito de esperantisto el teksaso Message-ID: <63a634da0906181009k779c612emd6ac0090546beedc@mail.gmail.com> Saluton! Teksasa Esperantisto vizitos Vasxingtonon cxi-somere, kaj volas scii cxu iu(j) loka(j) esperantistoj sxatus renkontigxi kun li. Cxu iu interesigxas? Mi versxajne renkontigxos kun li se la tempo permesos tion al mi. La semajnfinaj tagoj dum lia vizito estas la 27a kaj 28a de junio kaj la 5a de julio. Cxu iu sxatus partopreni, kaj tiukaze, cxu vi havas preferitan daton? Bonvolu sciigi min. Erinja From quillpower at cox.net Thu Jun 18 14:29:49 2009 From: quillpower at cox.net (quillpower at cox.net) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:29:49 -0400 Subject: [Membroj] Vizito de esperantisto el teksaso Message-ID: <380-220096418182949993@M2W034.mail2web.com> Bone, mi iuokaze planis baldau anonci kafkunigxon por 28. junio, do li povus cxeesti tion, kaj/au ni povus okazigi vespermangxon kun li. Original Message: ----------------- From: Erin Piateski piateski at alum.mit.edu Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:09:17 -0400 To: membroj at esperantosocieto.org Subject: [Membroj] Vizito de esperantisto el teksaso Saluton! Teksasa Esperantisto vizitos Vasxingtonon cxi-somere, kaj volas scii cxu iu(j) loka(j) esperantistoj sxatus renkontigxi kun li. Cxu iu interesigxas? Mi versxajne renkontigxos kun li se la tempo permesos tion al mi. La semajnfinaj tagoj dum lia vizito estas la 27a kaj 28a de junio kaj la 5a de julio. Cxu iu sxatus partopreni, kaj tiukaze, cxu vi havas preferitan daton? Bonvolu sciigi min. Erinja _______________________________________________ Membroj mailing list Membroj at esperantosocieto.org http://esperantosocieto.org/mailman/listinfo/membroj_esperantosocieto.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From davegaines at aol.com Fri Jun 19 12:47:40 2009 From: davegaines at aol.com (David Gaines) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:47:40 -0400 Subject: [Membroj] Membroj Digest, Vol 59, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > La semajnfinaj tagoj dum lia vizito estas la 27a kaj 28a de junio kaj la 5a > de julio. Cxu iu sxatus partopreni, kaj tiukaze, > cxu vi havas preferitan daton? Iu au la alia sxajne taugas por mi. Se estos jam planita kafkunigxo je la 28a, des pli bone tiam........ DG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at daviddougherty.net Fri Jun 19 21:59:49 2009 From: dave at daviddougherty.net (David Dougherty) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Membroj] Vizito de esperantisto el teksaso Message-ID: <575305.189.qm@web1112.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Mi estas libera la 27an kaj la 28an de junio (mi ja venos al la kafkuni?o ?i-foje, kaj mi anka? estos libera la 5an de julio, do mi tre ?atus fari ion. From quillpower at cox.net Tue Jun 23 23:19:41 2009 From: quillpower at cox.net (Jim Ryan) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:19:41 -0400 Subject: [Membroj] =?utf-8?q?Esperanta_kafkuni=C4=9Do?= Message-ID: <4A419B4D.8030004@cox.net> Come to our next Esperanto coffee & conversation get-together! We'll meet Sunday, June 28, at 2:00 pm, at Cosi, 301 Pennsylvania Ave, SE (SE corner of 3rd & Pennsylvania, SE), Capitol Hill, on the second floor. Look for the small Esperanto flag. Beginners and intermediate speakers welcome. Bring anything else you wish to study and/or discuss. Our main topic of discussion will be organizing the national convention of E-USA (formerly ELNA) in Washington next year to celebrate the centennial of the legendary Universal Congress of Esperanto in 1910 which Zamenhof himself attended. People with interest and ideas for this are especially invited to come. Our next order of business is to finalize the dates and meeting place for the convention. Anyone with opinions on these issues are especially invited to come. If you can't make it, now is the time to make your opinions known, preferably at our Google Group at lkkdk at googlegroups.com. Please let me know if you'll probably come. Jim 703-317-9779 Mobile 703-395-0036 ***************** Venu al nia venonta Esperanta kaf- kaj konversacia kuni?o! Ni kunvenu diman?on, 28. junio, la 2-a ptm, kafejo Cosi, 301 Pennsylvania Ave, SE (?e la sudorienta angulo de 3rd & Pennsylvania, SE), Kapitola Monteto, Va?intono, dua eta?o. Ser?u la esperantan flageton. Komencantoj kaj progresintoj bonvenas. Kunprenu ion ajn alian kion vi volas diskuti. Nia ?efa temo por diskutado estos organizi la landan kongreson de E-USA (anta?e ELNA) al Washington en 2010 por soleni la centjari?on de la famega Universala Kongreso de Esperanto en 1910 kiun Zamenhof mem ?eestis. Homoj kun intereso kaj ideoj pri ?i tio estas precipe invitataj veni. Niaj venontaj farenda?oj estos findecidi la datojn kaj kongresejon. Iuj kun opinioj pri tiuj demandoj estas precipe invitataj veni. Se vi ne povas veni, nun estas la tempo sciigi viajn opiniojn, preferinde ?e nia Google-Grupo ?e lkkdk at googlegroups.com. Bonvolu sciigi min ?u vi kredeble venos. 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I have no interest in justifying Esperanto for being anything other than it is, and accurate reporting would be good enough for me. One thing Esperanto is not is an attempted perfect or logical language, akin to either Loglan or the philosophical languages of the 17th century. And only a minority of the minority of Esperantists who are stark raving mad are daft enough to think that a common language will lead to world peace. Zamenhof himself did not think so, so he concocted an even more ridiculous notion of how that would happen, i.e. a universal religion that no real religion would ever tolerate. Also, though Esperanto does attract nerds, it is light years away from what must be the appeal of Klingon, which is aptly summarized iun the character of Comic Book Guy in The Simpsons and William Shatner's famous put-down of Trekkies on Saturday Nite Live. 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La enkonduko tamen trovigxas cxe YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_SgfyK1tj8 From davegaines at aol.com Mon Jun 29 12:49:24 2009 From: davegaines at aol.com (David Gaines) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:49:24 -0400 Subject: [Membroj] Angoroj Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:00 PM, wrote: Mankas al mi la vidbendo de la rara Esperanta filmo "Angoroj" (1964). > La enkonduko tamen trovigxas cxe YouTube: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_SgfyK1tj8 Dankon pro la tre interesa sciigo, Ralph......la vidbendo haveblas kontrau $50 (jes, tre multkosta) cxe la retbutiko de Monato: http://www.esperanto.be/fel/but/ls_serchu.php ...........eble oni povos acxeti gxin kaj starigi "rigardfeston"......... DG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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